Salut,
a TW-driver (he lives in Israel) from the US-TW200 forum had a very good idea for a new and better suspension. He installed a Yamaha R1/R6 suspension.
The big positive from this suspension: Complete adjustable!!!
And the R1 suspension does have a bigger stroke (TW -> 48mm; R1 -> 65mm).
I adapted this idea for my Cross TW and Supermotard TW.
At first, the comparetion between all rear suspensions:
-> org. suspension
length: 330mm
-> org. suspension with 35mm tailraiser (important for Cross TW)
length: 365mm (absolut max. for TW)
-> R1 (and R6) suspension
length: 300mm
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-federbeine_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-federbeine.jpg)
To have a correct seat hight with the new suspension is a good tailraiser with a fitting length very important.
for same hight like org. suspension:
R1 + 25mm = 5mm shorter as org. suspension (325mm)
R1 + 30mm = same length like org. suspension (330mm)
R1 + 35mm = 5mm longer as org. suspension (335mm)
for high raised tail:
R1 + 55mm = 25mm longer as org. suspension (355mm)
R1 + 60mm = 30mm longer as org. suspension (360mm)
R1 + 65mm = 35mm longer as org. suspension (365mm)
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen.jpg)
You can see here the ground clearance from my Supermotard TW with the small (and low) 150/70-14.
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-1_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-1.jpg)
Now the steps for the installation:
Step 1
- Mount the raiser - the top holes must fit correctly
- bore some sec. with a 10mm drill in the lower hole, to make a mark
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-2_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-2.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-3_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-3.jpg)
Step 2
- bore a hole with a 4...6mm drill in the marked position
- bore this hole up to 10mm
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-4_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-4.jpg)
Step 3
- remove the bushing/sleeve from the org. suspension and insert it in the new suspension
or
- make a new bushing/sleeve with this measurements:
outer diameter: 17mm
inner diameter: 12mm
length: 40mm
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-5_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-5.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-6_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-6.jpg)
Step 4
- the installation
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-7_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-7.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/bike-cross-tw-r1-5_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/bike-cross-tw-r1-5.jpg)
The result with the 55mm raiser; grund clearance +~5cm
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-8_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/montage-r1-8.jpg)
Here is a pic to compare the org. suspension with the R1 suspension with 3 differend raisers (55, 60 and 65mm)
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen-mase-r1_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen-mase-r1.jpg)
The raisers (25, 30 and 35mm) can be used too for the org. suspension
(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen-mase-org_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen-mase-org.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hinterrad-hoehe_thum.jpg) (http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hinterrad-hoehe.jpg)
You will find more pictures from the installed supensions in the threads from my bikes
-> Supermotard TW (Link) (http://www.bigwheels.fr/forum/index.php?topic=3114.msg89317#msg89317)
-> Cross TW (Link) (http://www.bigwheels.fr/forum/index.php?topic=4617.msg89318#msg89318)
This info is awsome.
If i have "stoping problems" with my suspension on big jump i know who to solve it.
Great job and great procedure buddy. ;D
Send me a eMail, if you need a set.
But you have to tell me the the length from the tailraiser and for witch suspension the kit should be.
I don't need yet, but may be later.
Thanks ;)
Yes too!!
Sa peut etre vraiment bon vu que notre TW est vachement plus legere que une r1 on aura un putain de bonne suspension ! Et rigide !
What version do you use ? 1999 ? 2004 ? or we don't care ?
The R1 and R6 does have 2 different rear shocks.
Version 1 (I use this version)
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9734/r1richtigeb7.jpg)
R1 (RN01, RN04, RN09)
1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
R6 (RJ09)
2003, 2004, 2005
Version 2
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3033/r1falschzl7.jpg)
Version 2 fits too, but you have to make a small modification on your airbox.
Here are to links (from "Yamaha TW200 Trailway Discussion Forum") about this mod:
Has anyone ever upgraded the TW's rear shock??(R6 shock upgrade swingarm and airbox mod!!) (http://tw200forum.com/forums/22345/ShowPost.aspx)
R6 or R1 Shock on a TW (http://tw200forum.com/forums/29203/ShowPost.aspx)
ok ok ok ... ;D
Hm....strange, the links to the pictures were not correct. I have changed the links.
Citation(http://www.tw-parts.com/macbig2k1/federbein-r1/vergleich-hoeherlegungen_thum.jpg)
comment avoir les cotes pour en faire des identiques ?
ou bien où les acheter ?
where to buy this item?
or how to create them?
En parlant d amorto arrière . Il y eu une campagne de rappel. Comment savoir si une machine en a bénéficier. Je me ferai bien changer l amorto gratuitement par yam si ca n'a paoint été fait.
CitationSoit par MP à "Macbig2K1"
Soit sur son site TW-Parts.com (formulaire...)
Merci pour l'info !
Citation de: chrisbdc le Jeu 05 Avr 2012, 19:01:02
En parlant d amorto arrière . Il y eu une campagne de rappel. Comment savoir si une machine en a bénéficier. Je me ferai bien changer l amorto gratuitement par yam si ca n'a paoint été fait.
... d'autant que celui de la 125, il couine ;D
Citation de: chrisbdc le Jeu 05 Avr 2012, 19:01:02
En parlant d amorto arrière . Il y eu une campagne de rappel. Comment savoir si une machine en a bénéficier.
C'est vrai que je n'ai jamais fait attention à ton amortisseur, honte à moi 8)
Le nouveau, en partie basse (sur le bras) l'axe fait partie du corps de l'amortisseur (pièce moulée), sur l'ancien c'est un tube soudé sur le corps.
Citation de: chrisbdc le Jeu 05 Avr 2012, 19:01:02
Je me ferai bien changer l amorto gratuitement par yam si ca n'a paoint été fait.
Heuhhhh, pour toi, ça risque de ne pas être gratuit ::)
Avec toutes les ferrailles qui tiennent le réservoir qu'il faut démonter avant d'atteindre l'amortisseur, tu risques d'avoir un supplément ::)
Citation de: christddel le Jeu 05 Avr 2012, 22:36:43
Tu regardes la finition de la fixation de ton amortisseur (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/dsc00605.jpg/)
Et voilà, une belle photo vaut mieux qu'un long discours ...
Merci Christddel :D
Un grand merci Christian je vais regarder cela demain et le cas échéant voir Yam/